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I object to that, not all Radio hams treat CB radio as the underdogs. As some of us started on CB radio and do still have one. I have friends who never bothered going for the Ham licence and are very clever including electronics too.
Long may both continue leave 11M as it is.  Relaxed.
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Having re read Airfixpilot's original post i think there is quite a bit of pot stirring going on .This subject will always cause folks to say things that upset others .
So he thinks cb is unfair and the we should go back to having a licence and regulated power because some users flaunt it , well i he thinks that foundation hams stick to 10 watts then better get his head out the sand .
He wants us move on from the old Handles (callsigns), and get proper IDs with proper call callsigns, issued from a governing body. (Ofcom ),Ofcom dont give a shit about 27 mgz and thats fine .
The rsgb are over the moon with the amount of folks taking up the foundation courses but going by previous years over 70% of those will progress no further a lot are just happy to get a legal call sign and turn that power dial to 10 Very Happy .
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Victor wrote:
'Slighted' and 'Nose out of joint' are one thing but some of us are old enough to remember what happened when someone got their nose out of joint....

I've posted this link before, but those interested in a little CB history with the real horrors that actually happened could do well to take a look here :-

Laughing Policeman Wireless Society

How many remember being stopped at the Chelsea bridge run and having 'orifices of the law' rip your CB from your Dad's Cortina, or antennas snapped off your pride & joy Escort?
The same 'law enforcers' smacking the sh*t out of you as they bundled you into a meat wagon for your 'illegal' CB use?
The Radio Communication Agency raiding your property and not only taking your CB but PSU, antenna and any other 'electrical/radio' item they can lay their grubby mitts on?
The 'updated' DTI doing exactly the same years down the line?
The dishonest 'orifices of the law' going out of their way and lying under oath to prosecute the criminal actions of someone for just using their CB?

A million other stories and testament of horrors by the simple action of talking on a CB, not having a licence, too big an aerial, purported TVI, illegal power......and who do you think were reporting these highly criminal activities?!


It may be in the past, I for one am glad to leave it there and only wish the best for radio's future.

But you tell me why I get a re-emerged bitter taste in my mouth when some pompous, fat faced, arrogant BR68 clone of a clone starts discussing CB licensing and regulation?

Honestly, if I have to hear "Fine-Business, Old-Man, Hi-Hi" from one of them again I'll have a flipping meltdown!


"Like the Murphy's....I'm not bitter"......just bear the scars of simply talking to someone on the airwaves. Fecking criminal I am Wink



Everything you said Victor I remember dont think many Hams had that happen to them all because they wanted to talk on a radio , even with there licence and rules the RSGB still dont deal with there bad eggs that they gave a licence to even if it's been reported in National newspapers and local ones, I'm not going to mention names because of legal reasons but there is a infamous one in Scotland who actually had police come to his house through threatening behaviour on the air on SSB 11m and on the Ham bands and threatened other radio users what done by the RSGB or OFCOM , ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the same with a guy in East London he also is a pain on 11m SSB ,UKFM 19 and Ham bands but not as bad I've been told ,he even tells people where he lives and offers people to come and fight face to face with him and moves his station around different addresses which I presume he doesn't inform Ofcom which you are supposed to, and guess what the same NOTHING done about him, seem to do alot good RSGB/OFCOM..LOL
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Having re read Airfixpilot's original post i think there is quite a bit of pot stirring going on .This subject  will always cause folks to say things that upset others .
So he thinks cb is unfair and the we should go back to having a licence  and regulated power  because some users flaunt it , well i he thinks that foundation hams stick to 10 watts  then better get his head out the sand .
He wants us move on from the old Handles (callsigns), and get proper IDs with proper  call callsigns, issued from a governing body. (Ofcom ),Ofcom dont give a shit about 27 mgz and thats fine .
The rsgb are over the moon with the amount of folks taking up the foundation courses  but going by previous years over 70% of those will progress no further  a lot are just happy to get a legal call sign and turn that power dial to 10 Very Happy .

This post stirred a memory of a chat i had on 11m ssb last year with a couple of Charlie Tango members who were foundation holders.
We spoke about conditions and they spoke of 20m and how good it was there to which i asked how well they got out on 10w.

Laughing ensued and both admitted to using 100w and stated "who knows what power i use"

Both are Cbers too using extremely foul language on ch19 most days and rarely change on the Ham bands... Fortunately they are weak stations with little knowledge of how to set up a decent station so can be easily squelched out...

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Nubster that bloke in Scotland you are on about had over 15k's worth of new Ham gear  FT9000DXMP,Yeasu 1kw amp , Yeasu 1kw tuner , 2x Heli head sets ect ect and he was a total nutter but from what i know he is now residing  at HMP(nowt to do with his radio antics) his old video's are still on you tube .His antenna was a Hy gain penetrator 500 all i can say is i bet the shop were rubbing their hands when he purchased all that gear .
I had a look on the tube and there are loads of video's of  Hams fighting on air  no better than the 10/10  till we doing it again crew.

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Good evening all, has anybody got a image of the frequency/channel usage for a committing Nato 2000? Can’t find mine or remember what all the buttons do on my nato, as I’ve just dug it out to give it a blast to see if it’s working.. Cheers
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Posts and discussions like this will always stir up feelings in what otherwise can be a good debate.

Some will misconstrue - pretty sure no one said all Hams berate CBers and vice-versa.

Pot-stirring is a bit of a misnomer, maybe bubble it up a bit Wink

Original intentions lose their meaning and diverge somewhat, but all makes for a good discussion.

Some of us however can remember how bad it all once was and what it took to get to where we are today.
Martin, (Nubster), you lived and breathed it mate just like I did back in the day and remember well at how awfully vindictive it could all be. Any sniff of similar trouble or notions of CB regulation gets our defences up for very good reason.

I for one, was a young man, with a young family, a daughter and newborn boy, working from home self employed as an electronics engineer whilst my missus returned to college. All in the pursuit of bettering ourselves for the sake of our children. I still enjoyed my CB back then and extended my electronics knowledge to help those that could ill afford CBs to obtain and maintain them. Not officially a 'rig doctor' but a helping hand. Youngsters, pensioners, disabled people were my customers, pay my low prices bit by bit if they had to. That was my crime.....warrant, court order for seizure and I lost my whole workshop and livelihood. The 'Ham' that reported me boasted about it too. Then people wonder why I'm bitter.

Thankfully those days passed, Ofcom came about, licence fees were dropped, CB licences dropped altogether. Thank heavens.

Most people carry on about their business happily, there will always be bad apples in the cart. Luckily there are fewer of them so no point in whining about it.

I for one, now as a Grandfather am grateful to have rekindled my radio interests. I can, but don't transmit on Amateur bands respecting the regulations. I do however freeband between the legal CB bands so technically 'breaking' the law. Most sensible laws are intend to prevent harm to others, I will always respect that. If transmitting on an illegal frequency at more power than I'm supposed to will actually injure, harm or kill someone then I'd stop. But it doesn't.......


All the best to each and everyone of you,
Not labelled, not Hams or CBers, just fine people who share a passion for radio Smile

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saltire wrote:
Nubster that bloke in Scotland you are on about had over 15k's worth of new Ham gear  FT9000DXMP,Yeasu 1kw amp , Yeasu 1kw tuner , 2x Heli head sets ect ect and he was a total nutter but from what i know he is now residing  at HMP(nowt to do with his radio antics) his old video's are still on you tube .His antenna was a Hy gain penetrator 500 all i can say is i bet the shop were rubbing their hands when he purchased all that gear .
I had a look on the tube and there are loads of video's of  Hams fighting on air  no better than the 10/10  till we doing it again crew.

Well I'm glad he got put away for something the bloke was a total pr*tt but saying that it's TRUE what my comment was about the so called great RSGB/OFCOM they didn't do anything to do with his bad radio antics they turned a blind eye and let him carry on that what I was saying and he was licensed too, and it had to take a totally different thing away from radio to get him finally arrested and jail sentence
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Good evening all, has anybody got a image of the frequency/channel  usage for a committing Nato 2000? Can’t find mine or remember what all the buttons do on my nato, as I’ve just dug it out to give it a blast to see if it’s working.. Cheers
Try asking here
Multimode, Export and Sideband Radio section , i had a Nato 2000 but that was 39 years ago Shocked and i cant remember what i did this morning let alone back then , any how i hope you have an antenna or a dummy load to test it with and good on ya for wanting to get back on the cb bands .
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Well I wrote a long post that for some reason never made it to the forum/board. I'm not going to try and create it but will state/post some summary points.

1) Back in the 50s/60s/early 70s then an amateur license was issue as G3 (if I recall correctly) and to get there you had to have not only RF knowledge but morse code all of which was tested.

2) As a then licensed amateur you could then either purchase (VERY VERY expensive) or build your own kit

3) For many in the amateur ranks discussing their home built kit, noise, signal strengths, etc. was "their achievement" and dare I say a foundation to where we are today

3) Back then designing and building kit in the 1.8MHz / 2MHz was certainly achievable. Today on a simple multiplier then 20MHz+ is ten times more difficult to achieve with correct filtering and channel containment

4) Today you can buy a 10m/11m rig for far less cost and effort and testing were you to build it yourself. This is one reason why licensed amateurs have moved beyond many home built rigs and use commercial rigs and venture into "other aspects" such as digital etc.

5) The RSGB/Gov have been forced to adapt over time to accommodate the CB fraternity AND open the amateur community and requirements to a wider audience. So today we have a foundation license where if you spell your name correctly you can get a license.

6) Given 5 then it is a fact that the amateur and CB landscapes are merging especially in the 10/11m spectrum

7) I could add a load of other stuff into the equation but won't. I have to reference a comment made in an earlier post about community, fair play, jointly enjoy the hobby, etc. etc. (or words to that effect)

Cool well all this leads to the question as to if the whole Amateur and CB frequencies should be merged and be free as a sensible community using approved equipment AND with the added ability of Amateur/Other license holders having passed technical test being allowed to design,built and run their own kit

9) How one would police "self design and build" kit usage is an interesting point but I would say that as a 40+ years as a retired professional electronics engineer then I think the policing is now essentially self regulating in that except for those serious amateurs who specialise in "quality self design and build" the kit/rig purchase route is the basic policing route.

10) I can see both sides of *some of* the CB and Amateur die hard advocates and points of views spitting on each other and tossing bricks into each other play pens but in reality I think the Amateur and CB and Free Banding camps are so close these days that it will only be a matter of time that they merge with a common community cause etc.

Time will tell.
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Basic answer no need to change owt .cb / freeband is what i think most lads n lasses use because it is just that ..its easy going geezers being mostly polite and decent .my experience with most hams have either bored me half to death or got my back up with the rules and snobbery they try lay down .there are some hams that love freebanding but they have to play it cool or the law abiding fellow hams grass them up and get there licences revoked .i think a large number of hams secretly want a good old sidebander from the 80,s in there collections.
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Greensleeves wrote:
Good evening all, has anybody got a image of the frequency/channel  usage for a committing Nato 2000? Can’t find mine or remember what all the buttons do on my nato, as I’ve just dug it out to give it a blast to see if it’s working.. Cheers

Hi Paul.....see link below:

http://www.rigpix.com/cbfreeband/nato_2000.htm

If you have this "Export" version it should cover the Super Low / Low / Mid / High bands plus the UK FM "Muppets" (40 channels in each band).

I'm assuming that the bands will be "A" = Super Low, "B" = Low, "C" = Mid and "D" = High band. The "FM" band will be the UK frequencies.
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Oh good god, what did I start. Ok Ok, Cbers who have gone further in radio to better themselves to understand more about the subject of radio and how it works, good on them. If they want to pass an exam ok. If you want to just transmit and receive on CB fine. I don't think its a THEM & US situation, because they are on different bands. If they do merge, things may have to change and licence conditions may have to come into force. GOD OFCOM, who hold and regulate ALL licences, would I imagine try and find who are transmitting and what they are using weather be CB, Ham or PMR. To find someone who has a radio is easy, just go looking for antennas on houses or cars. Then check with the DVLA. Then I suppose they would then issue a licence with conditions of transmitting powers to be used, CB used to be 4 watts max. Regulated radio would help to streamline the bands and stop interference to other users, weather be adjacent channels, radio or Tv. You would then be responsible for interference coursed, (if it was you) and sort it out. if you were Bullish and don't sort it, your licence could be revoked, just like a Ham operator, and then Ofcom could conversate you equipment.

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Ha, ha! Very Happy
Well you asked the question Wink

I like your last idea......my antenna is hidden in the loft and I don't have a car Razz

We've been there before with "regulation".... didn't work.....less knob-head CBers around now, (as I said they need an audience, lucked out with CB then), and legal atrocities occured. Leave it as it is, it's evolved nicely.

"Don't drink & drive" - yep, get that one, someone might die.
"Don't use a mobile phone whilst driving", again yep, someone might die.
"Don't smash grannies over the head to steal their pension", pretty obvious that one.

"Don't transmit more then 4 watts on CB or 10 watts as a Foundation licence holder".......???? Nope, don't get it.
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That sounds very much like the radio police seizing the stations of the people who are said to have broken the rules to me, I wonder who would be making those decisions on a local basis?

I agreed with several of your initial points, for myself at least but I am all too aware those things aren't for everybody, you are digging an even bigger hole for yourself here Airfixpilot.

The Self appointed CB monitor turned HAM I previously mentioned reported me for using SSB on 11m, not because I was causing any of the locals' issues with TVI or any other sorts of interference but because he was a brainwashed sheep who felt it was his duty to inform on others he felt were breaking the rules. (It clearly made him feel important to being the self-appointed radio police)

I was in my late teens at the time, it had taken me a couple of years to build my station up to the quality it was, especially at that sort of age. (17-19)
Uniden 28-30 opened up to 26-30, bleed over crystals fitted, Astatic teardrop speech processor mic, Yaesu ATU, Antron 99 with a ground plane kit, 4 element Yagi on a heavy-duty rotator and all connected with RG213 with a switcher box to swap antennas quickly.
I came home to my mothers after work only for her to tell me the DTI had turned up to inspect my CB equipment and they left with it all too.  They came back to offer me the chance to sign it away and hear no more or go to court get a fine and still not get it back, being faced with a lose-lose situation I chose the one that would do the least harm. (lose it or pay a fine and still lose it - easy choice)

Streamline the bands? - I don't know if you have noticed but they are pretty quiet if honest! (Weren't we just talking about attracting more people to the hobby?)

I was always under the impression that people were responsible for any interference they may cause, I recall having to get a couple of TVI filters for the house, luckily my next-door neighbour was a HAM (who was a great help to me when young) was already equipped with things like that.

Do you know when OFCOM turn up to confiscate rule-breakers equipment, do you think they will be wearing Hugo Boss uniforms and Jackboots by any chance?


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Airfixpilot  take some advise give up because as Alan said your digging a bigger hole for yourself,  its obvious your a wannabe radio police perhaps your the brainwashed type that Alan had a run in with , either accept how CB (sorry I've got be proper radio in your case and call it 11m) is or give up cant you see your flogging a dead horse.
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Ha, ha, haaaa!!!! Very Happy Very Happy
Martin, you're a flipping star! Fair old wetting myself after that! Smile

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lol! He could apply for a job with Ofcom as a Busby .
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https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0013/190003/emf-condoc.pdf
For a document mainly about 5G theres a fair bit in there about licence free and on the spot fines , pre covid but who knows perhaps Ofcom are to go on a money making scheme . Issue a fine , let the sherrifs collect if it goes to court throw in the H&S card which a court would be more likely to get excited about rather than a claim of interferance.
Just to bubble the pot abit more LOL
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saltire wrote:
lol!  He could apply for a job with Ofcom as a Busby .
Perhaps he already is and because of the situation that the country is in and on furlough and needs to practice his authority lol!
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On the topic of Busby, the dreaded yellow van pulled up outside of my home in the early days, I was using a NATO 2000 multimode at the time but it was quite a discreet little radio and it had the required 27/81 stamped onto the front of it and all the bands and modes were listed as letters if I remember correctly. (It is over 35 years ago now).
I kept my cool and let the chap in when he knocked n the door (living with my parents and still being at school at the time I had little options here)
As expected he asked to inspect my equipment so I took a deep breath and invited him in to do so, he had a quick glance at my rig immediately spotting the 27/81 logo on the front and was completely satisfied, I got the impression he had no idea at all at what he was looking at and off he went.
Does anybody else recall the F*ck Busby campaign that went on then, it always rather tickled me at the time?

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Thanks for the help with the nato band questions, I’ve been on the CB since 1979 not been on as much in the last 10yrs but in lockdown a lot of my old friends are dusting them if and going back on just for something to do, have great memories growing up with cb radio, it played a big part of my life as it probably did with everybody in Charlie tango. Stay safe all 73,s from me Paul (Greensleeves).
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If I remember correctly the unmarked controls were: FM - UK 40, A super low, B - Low, C - Mid, D High, the mode selector which on my model was just dashes started with FM - AM - USB - LSB - CW (turning clockwise) I believe some models do this in reverse order starting with CW - LSB - USB - AM - FM (working clockwise)

I even came across a video of a chap demonstrating one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqm13nW7AMc

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Oh good god, what did I start.  Ok Ok, Cbers who have gone further in radio to better themselves to understand more about the subject of radio and how it works, good on them.  If they want to pass an exam ok.  If you want to just transmit and receive on CB fine.   I don't think its a THEM & US situation, because they are on different bands.  If they do merge, things may have to change and licence conditions may have to come into force. GOD OFCOM, who hold and regulate ALL licences, would I imagine try and find who are transmitting and what they are using weather be CB, Ham or PMR.  To find someone who has a radio is easy, just go looking for antennas on houses or cars.  Then check with the DVLA.  Then I suppose they would then issue a licence with conditions of transmitting powers to be used, CB used to be 4 watts max.  Regulated radio would help to streamline the bands and stop interference to other users, weather be adjacent channels, radio or Tv.  You would then be responsible for interference coursed, (if it was you) and sort it out.  if you were Bullish and don't sort it, your licence could be revoked, just like a Ham operator, and then Ofcom could conversate you equipment.

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airfixpilot wrote:
Oh good god, what did I start.  Ok Ok, Cbers who have gone further in radio to better themselves to understand more about the subject of radio and how it works, good on them.  If they want to pass an exam ok.  If you want to just transmit and receive on CB fine.   I don't think its a THEM & US situation, because they are on different bands.  If they do merge, things may have to change and licence conditions may have to come into force. GOD OFCOM, who hold and regulate ALL licences, would I imagine try and find who are transmitting and what they are using weather be CB, Ham or PMR.  To find someone who has a radio is easy, just go looking for antennas on houses or cars.  Then check with the DVLA.  Then I suppose they would then issue a licence with conditions of transmitting powers to be used, CB used to be 4 watts max.  Regulated radio would help to streamline the bands and stop interference to other users, weather be adjacent channels, radio or Tv.  You would then be responsible for interference coursed, (if it was you) and sort it out.  if you were Bullish and don't sort it, your licence could be revoked, just like a Ham operator, and then Ofcom could conversate you equipment.

Just a thought
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